Over a span of ten years, Trevor, Aj Meijer (the other fantastic co-host), and their incredible team of people, created 314 episodes dedicated to “demystifying the inner and outer game of success in the entertainment industry.” (It’s currently on pause, but if you haven’t yet checked out IAP, you can still listen to their podcast and see the episodes here.)
Beyond starting one of the most invaluable, helpful, and entertaining podcasts around, Trevor is an all around stand up human being. He’s one of those people who are always thirsty for knowledge, growing, and learning new things and ways of helping others become better versions of themselves. One of the reasons I loved listening to the podcast so much was listening to Trevor and AJ’s interactions. They were real people talking through relatable situations, presenting their viewpoints and learning all along the way. It gave me an insight into people’s careers higher up the rung from mine, and made me feel not so alone in this tremendously challenging career of acting. I felt like I was a friend listening in on their conversations, without even having met them.
When I finally did meet Trevor in person, from the beginning, it felt like meeting an old friend. He is as down to earth as he seems on the podcast, and someone you can chat with for hours without even knowing it. I had the honor of acting with him in a short film he wrote and created, and he is truly one of the most talented actors I’ve ever worked with.
Though he’s now stepped away from IAP, I know that wherever his career takes him, Trevor has, and will continue to have an everlasting impact on everyone he meets. It’s a privilege to be able to call him a friend, and I’m so grateful I got to finally interview the interviewer!
I was also terrible at managing my money, and despised being at the mercy of so many pay-to-play career resources and opportunities. I was working at Apple at the time, and meeting successful and well-known industry people every day… but felt I had no place to ask them to tell me about themselves and their journey.
Then it clicked: I work at Apple, I know how to do this stuff. A podcast would give me a great reason to reach out to people, and might give them a reason to talk to me. I could position myself as a sort of expert-in-the-trenches, and serve the larger community of actors in the same position as me.
Basically: I could copy what the Everything Acting women were doing in NYC.
I asked AJ to co-host and produce it with me. If he’d said no, I don’t know that I would’ve gone through with it.
This was over 10 years ago, so podcasts were still kind of novel. Most people didn’t know what they were. Now, everybody and their mother has their own show, and so many are producing amazing content brilliantly. I eventually decided to end my involvement with it, which was very bittersweet. But we had a great run, and I’m proud of what we made and eternally grateful for the people—listeners and guests—I now get to call friends.
I don’t know where I’d be without those years of producing IAP.
I loved chatting with Craig Ballantyne about productivity and structure. Tony Horton is a guy whose work has changed my life for the better in every way. And being invited to Jenna Fischer’s place and into J.K. Simmons’ trailer for interviews were wonderful experiences.
I suppose a dream project would be some sort of interactive multi-media narrative: a book-music-live performance-game hybrid. Something messy and immersive and hilarious and weird and physical and tragic and fun. A meditation on the perfect mess of the human condition.
All sports are demanding, but swimming requires a specific flavor of intellectual commitment. Most swimmers I know are fitness junkies well after their competition years. My theory is that it’s a combination of the constant post-workout endorphin high, and the meditation-strength-dance philosophy that the sport requires. It becomes part of your identity.
After school, I struggled to keep a consistent workout routine. Then I saw a commercial for—yes—P90X, and a friend turned me on to a productivity program called Wake Up Productive. Both of these together were exactly the methodology and approach I needed to rebuild and maintain a fitness groove.
I think everyone should love living in their body every day. It’s not free to get there, but with the right tools it’s not as hard or scary as most people think.
I eventually woke up and got myself out. It’s been almost 15 years, and I’m just now beginning to process everything with the help of a therapist. I’d be lying if I said that that experience hasn’t been a factor in my choice to back away from acting for a while. There’s a lot of shame, embarrassment, anger, sadness, and regret I’m working through.
Right now, my strategy is this: follow joy, follow fascination, follow curiosity. Trust that I’m being led to a space where my blind spots and opportunities and interests all overlap.
Right now, joy is coming from things that I pushed to the background for so long—stuff like mindfulness study and music-making and playing video games. I’d previously written these things off because somewhere along the way, I made up a story that they were too juvenile or had no income potential or weren’t *assertive* enough.
In this moment, if I had to declare a 5-year vision: I’d enjoy making and playing music (solo, with a band, and for hire—scoring, maybe composing, licensing, etc.), and also traveling, and practicing living simply. I’ve never been one to be motivated by money or material things; authenticity, connection, creativity, and kindness are my driving values.
Learning how to express those is an ever-evolving journey.
In other words, it’ll be fun to look back at this interview in 5 years and see if I was either incredibly naive, or incredibly prescient.
Darren Pettie, one of our early podcast guests, told us: “Wear life like a loose garment.”
And Michelle Jubilee Gonzalez, another podcast guest, said, “If you’re not having fun, you’re doing it wrong.”
And Amir Talai (yet another podcast guest) told us his philosophy is to “be professionally invested, but emotionally unattached.”
On my good days, these are my touchstones. Stay flexible. Life should be fun. Do what you can, and let the Universe handle the rest.